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49 Responses to “Side by Side – the new Canon EOS 7D, Canon EOS 5D Mark II and the Canon Rebel T1i/500D”

1. 

   Dave
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   I'm a little upset my expensive 5d2 doesn't have all these features but this newer cheaper one does!

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     Eric
     

     31. Oct, 2009

     Canon is working on an update to add this functionality. Should be avalible first 1/2 of 2010! I wasn’t happy either as I’m thinking of getting the 5D2 for the full sensor but excited about video!

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2. 

   alain
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   Dave, a lot of people are going to be upset by this and perceive this as a joke from Canon to 5D owners. While I am happy that Canon is moving forward with video integration, I cant understand the reasoning behind this camera. It is too good and too cheap compared to every single Canon DSLR model. Unless you have a very specific need for another body (ex: full frame, more AF points, etc), there are no reason to not get it.

   So Canon is going to move all the demands from other products toward this newer model, doing even more cannibalization than what was already going on with the 5D. Not a smart move from Canon unless they have something up their sleeves.

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3. 

   irishmark
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   Is the camera still limited to 12 min clip lengths or have they overcomethat disability with this new one?

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4. 

   Mr9Lylie
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   having this new out now, the question is, would you go for 5D2 with it's better ISo and FF or go with the 7D for newer features and 24P ??????? help

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5. 

   5DMark2
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   Dear Planet5D Admin:

   Please let me point to this comment:

   http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/canon-w...

   It's a bit long, but reflects the feeling and thoughts of THOUSANDS of 5D Mark II users and Canon customers, who invested thousands of dollars in equipment and are still waiting…

   Thank you very much.

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6. 

   5DMark2
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   Dear Planet5D Admin:

   Please let me point to this comment:

   http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/canon-w...

   It's a bit long, but reflects the feeling and thoughts of THOUSANDS of 5D Mark II users and Canon customers, who invested thousands of dollars in equipment and are still waiting…

   Thank you very much.

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     egwish
     

     30. Nov, 2009

     Maybe if the article didn’t have such horrible spelling mistakes (wich? What is the author, 10?) canon would listen. (Wud listen )

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       planetMitch
       

       30. Nov, 2009

       I believe the author is not native English speaking so maybe we should give him a break on the spelling issues?

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7. 

   planetMitch
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   I've not found anything yet on a time limit on the video.

   Mitch Aunger
   chief blogger and bottle washer
   http://www.planet5D.com
   the best Canon 5D information on the planet!

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8. 

   planetMitch
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   I've not found anything yet on a time limit on the video.

   Mitch Aunger
   chief blogger and bottle washer
   http://www.planet5D.com
   the best Canon 5D information on the planet!

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9. 

   nikonuser
   

   01. Sep, 2009

   CANON IM UPSET I BOUGHT the 5DMII just a month ago but the much CHEAPER 7D has better features at $1000 less 24p, 19 focus points against 9, 8fps against 3.9fps, 100% VF with 1x, Wireless Speedlight feature etc etc etc….

   all i got is FF for $1000 more and a crippled camera.

   its like this….,,,,,a cheaper Toyota Corolla having much better features than a Camry that all it can boast is just has a bigger engine

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10. 

    Garrinn
    

    01. Sep, 2009

    Please explain to me why you like this 24p so much?

    Isn't 30fps much better, more frames per second, better quality?

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11. 

    PaulieDC
    

    01. Sep, 2009

    What on earth is all the fuss?? Toyota my FOOT, the 7D is no competition for the 5D2, is has a tiny APS-C sensor. You lose that amazing 5D2 razor thin DOF, and low-light quality. There's no way that cramming 18 million cells on a tiny sensor will garner you better low-light quality, REGARDLESS of specs. The cells are simply too small.

    The 5D2 is still king folks, and the 7D is a nice compliment if you have the funds. But when I mount my 16-35mm/2.8 on that 5D2 full frame sensor in a building with low available light, I'll be the one smiling. BTW, 24p isn't always needed nor is it the end-all be-all. It's just desired now because we can't have it. Mitch and I disagree on the 24p 5D2 firmware upgrade (oh Mitch, I hope you're wrong just this once, lol!), but even so, I bet a plugin for After Effects will surface that will do the conversion, or some other workflow. Don't sweat the 24p, it'll come one way or another.

    More importantly, forget the hardware game. We all own 5D2's, right? Let's get out and start shooting, there's too much whining about gear anymore. 7D this, 24p that, blah blah blah… the Blair Witch Project made more money than all of us. I bet somebody could make a hit video on a Flip if they got creative. It's not the arrow, it's the Indian. Let's get filming already.

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      Mujtaba
      

      04. Oct, 2009

      Very well said, i agree 100%

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12. 

    Paul
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    The 5D MKII will have better picture sharpness and has a more sensitive sensor, the image quality is still better with the 5D. If you want the high-burst rate though you're better off with the 7D it looks like. It seems that the differences are small unless you're pro and going for a specific hardware setup.

    The real issue I see is that the video looks much better than any samples I've seen so far with the 7D. Of course, with CMOS sensors there's still the shutter roll issue in video (from scanning from top down) and from what I've heard it may be even worse in the the 7D than it is in the 5D (where it's actually pretty good). This gives the dreaded “jelly cam” effect.

    I'd still go for the 5D MKII, but I might get the 7D to replace my aging 40D…

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13. 

    Sherezz
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    Hi all , I'm a guest here and i just wanted to add my thoughts. I'm more of a video guy…i was considering the 5d and now the 7d too . the thing is…as in every digital hardware you buy you need to accept the fact that it will run old in a very short time . Also, you need to know that the hardware manufacturer is never your friend , they will hide their technologies (and its their right) , they will exclude features which can easily be included,just to make you buy their product .
    I still think 5d is king, full frame and iso are much more important than any new feature in the 7d.As a video guy i think the single feature that can make me decide on the 7d is the 60p in 720p mode, wich can make you shoot real in-camera slow motion .
    Thank you .

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14. 

    tracytoler
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    If the 7D had manual audio levels I'd be mad, but it does not so hey, way to go canon!

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15. 

    5DMark2
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    The 7D specs tell 29 minutes 59 seconds, but it's MUCH more likely you will reach the 4GB file size limit (due file system limit) before that recording time…

    (the 12 min limit in the 5D Mark II is because you reach 4GB)

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16. 

    5DMark2
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    Your 5D Mark II is Great camera, full frame, and 7D is a different thing.

    BUT we (Canon customers and owners of 5D Mark II) DESERVE more attention, more respect (and not that kind of silly answers that we got when requesting the manual control), and that our request be implemented, because MOST OF THEM CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.

    Check the link I posted above, CALL CANON, make your VOICE HEARD.

    All what we ask from people is to be RESPECTFUL, and handle the solid and consistent arguments we have, and REQUEST Canon for the improvements that CAN be done via Firmware Update to the 5D Mk II

    This is a WORLDWIDE effort, and will benefit everyone.

    Best regards, and thanks to everyone supporting.

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17. 

    oboypro
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    I agree Sherezz. I think the question for video guys like us is not how the 7D compares to the 5D but rather how does the 7D compare to a Sony EX1! 60p in 720p for less then half the cost of an EX1 has me eyeing the 7D very closely. Oh, I still want an 5D too…

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18. 

    canuck88
    

    02. Sep, 2009

    The 5DII is for real photographers; you, obviously, are simply a gadget-geek and feature chaser.

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19. 

    Vicky
    

    03. Sep, 2009

    Hi, I know how you fell, but you should not feel like you are screwed by this canon's new release.
    The 5D-II is still, in many situations, better than the 7D. The full frame for one that counts a big deal of difference. The color, picture of sensor quality will be another place to do the comparisons. The 19mp over AP-C size does worry me a bit about the diffraction limit effect (we will see). High density pixel is not necessary definitively all good under all conditions. 5D-II is still my favorite. I have a 1Ds-III, but I leave it for static usage most of the time ever since I got my 5D-II. When I go out, I usually grab my 5D-II. I do not count on the camera for living, and it is way more humanly enjoyable to carry the 5D-II than the supertank 1Ds-III (if you haul it whole day, the weight will eventually gets to you.)

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20. 

    Richard
    

    05. Sep, 2009

    Hehe,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp9WMy4ihg

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21. 

    Pompo
    

    06. Sep, 2009

    I think the 5dm2 still has the edge as far as image quality, the 7D (while I love its19 point AF!) has way too many px cramped in a tiny sensor! I want narrow dof and the 5d matched with fast primes is still the way to go. (the 85 mm 1.2 on THAT would be have an AOV of a 136 mm lens! And a much deeper dof.
    imageine that!.

    On the other hand keep in mind that camera are just like computers…you buy one and 6 months later they are old, so if you base your purchase on the amount of gadgets that is eaxctly what is gonna happen! Base your decision on image quality instead!

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22. 

    jxrock
    

    17. Sep, 2009

    HOLD UP just one second…..
    are we talking about video cameras? or photo cameras?

    I have been a photographer since before Digital and while on any photo-shoot never did I think to myself
    “Dam I wish I could video tape this” I left that for the film students.

    A pro photographer has no use for video as an option on a camera. Canon reduced the image sensor, increased video quality for whatever reason and that is why canon can't charge $2500 for the 7D.

    not worth the money in my opinion.

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23. 

    Erik
    

    19. Sep, 2009

    anyone looking into 7d over 5d is a motion-shooter… 24fps is a lot nicer and filmic look than 30fps which almost get an interlaced look to it's smothness… I'm in a pal country so 25 fps is also a great advantage. 7d's small sensor isn't quite that small… it's in fact almost the same as motion 35, or RED! Or i guess also Panavision GENESIS! So that makes the 5d an Imax style sensor! Good of course… but Titanic and Gladiator wasn't shot Imax… it was more close to 7d size… but of course, digital images are crap compared to the real thing… anyway… 7d will be a great tool for commercial work in my opinion…

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24. 

    Carlos
    

    21. Sep, 2009

    New products are always more advanced than older ones. The good thing is that all recent cameras are able to satisfy 99% of your shooting needs. Instead I would concentrate on taking the most out of my camera and lenses.

    About the integrated Speedlight wireless transmitter that is the most important upgrade in 7D, 5D users will have to use the external transmitter or the Speedlight 430EX/580EX to command other flashes.

    No reason to talk about video since these are cameras and video is only a gadget.

    If you are still looking to buy the new Canon 7D you may what to visit http://www.couponshouse.com/calumet/6152/coupon-promotional-code.htm; sometimes they post useful discount codes.

    Enjoy.

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25. 

    PJ
    

    28. Sep, 2009

    Last time I cheecked, those wanting 24p and 30p and everything in between should have been buying a VIDEO camera. What’s the ruckus about??? 5D2 is primarily a still-imaging machine. and a pretty darned good one at that!

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26. 

    John
    

    29. Sep, 2009

    The video these cameras produce is not a gimmick PJ. Serious cinematographers and videographers are producing serious footage with them. Consider that a 7D, flash card and some lenses costs a couple thousand bucks. The next closest digital equivilent (the Red One) costs 10 times that much before lenses. Of course the aspiring film maker could always save all their pennies to hire an actual 35mm film camera and all the associated gear. After the thousands spent on hiring gear, buying film, and processing it, you’re still left with the need to digitise the footage before you can even work with it. This simple step alone can cost around $200,000 for a feature film. Suddenly a 7D looks very appealing. Enough to make a ruckus about perhaps. To think the this new breed of EOS cameras should be still cameras alone is to be grossly underestimating the potential of these tools in the right hands and how closely they mimic their Hollywood cousins. I for one can’t wait to get my hands on a 7D purely for video.

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27. 

    Allan
    

    01. Oct, 2009

    has the 7d got micro adjust for lenses?

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      planetMitch
      

      01. Oct, 2009

      I’ve seen no mention of any microadjust feature on the 7D

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        Poot
        

        02. Oct, 2009

        Whut? Your own comparison table lists micro-adjustment for up to 20 individual lenses as a feature of the 7D…

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        • 

          planetMitch
          

          02. Oct, 2009

          Whut? I can’t read and remember everything? YIKES!

          Thanks for seeing that and correcting me!

          I’ll blame the flu that I’ve had all week – it has really knocked me off.

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28. 

    7D Owner
    

    07. Oct, 2009

    I owned two 5D Mark II’s, and just sold them for two 7D’s…..
    PURELY for the 24p.

    Try mixing 5D Mark II footage with RED @ 24p…. not a fun task, and a complete waste of time.

    The video quality on the 7D is awesome…. and the fact that the 7D can match the RED 24p frame rate now… priceless.

    That being said. The 5D Mark II is an AMAZING camera.
    I’ve shot 3 music videos mixing the 5D Mark II and RED, and I can tell you that nobody knew the difference…. so it’s not really a BAD thing to own that camera…

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29. 

    Na Der
    

    12. Oct, 2009

    I’m a video guy. I was planning 2 buy the 5Dii. But when I saw the 7D features, I think it’s the way 2 go! I’ll need the camera 4 serious photo use as well. Yes, 5Dii is FF (not a big deal 4 a 21.1mp I believe!). But it’s 30fps, & I live in the middle-east (25fps). What’s ur advice?

    P.s. I’ve noticed that Philip bloom posted a video of 5Dii shot in 25p!!! Is that possible!?

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30. 

    Mike Preager
    

    17. Oct, 2009

    Have I missed it, but do either of these cameras have GPS capability, if not when will that be a stanbdard feature?

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      planetMitch
      

      17. Oct, 2009

      Neither camera has GPS

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31. 

    Mark
    

    17. Oct, 2009

    Not a video guy here so please forgive the ignorance. But don’t a lot of the new Hi end consumer video cameras shoot 1080?

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32. 

    GreyD
    

    20. Oct, 2009

    Ok….we argued and argued….lets face the facts….

    The 5D M2 is brilliant…the 7D is brilliant…

    The 5D M2 leans toward Photography brilliance, whilst the 7D is the King of the APS-C sensors…with a heavy lean on added video features….

    My conclusion is this…it boils down to price. 7D is straight up value for money. I like the 19 AF points, full lens compatibility, ((video functions doesnt bother me — but its a nice to have)))….

    If you cannot afford the 5D M 2, go for the 7D! if you can afford the 5D M 2, and your focus is photography, go for the 5D M 2…ideally….if you can afford both…GO FOR BOTH!

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33. 

    nerdybails
    

    22. Oct, 2009

    I couldn’t be bothered looking through the trolls (5dmk2 has a different DOF to the 7d lol)
    but anyway maybe the mod could alter his remarks about the 5dmk2 and 5dmk3.
    http://blog.planet5d.com/2009/10/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-to-get-24-and-25fps-in-a-firmware-update/
    5dmk2 will get 24p and other modes in the new year.

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34. 

    Mick Kalber
    

    09. Dec, 2009

    This has been very interesting reading. I’ve been trying to decide between the 7d and 5d mk II for some time now. It will be a Christmas present for my wife, who now shoots with an old d10. That’s not to say that the d10 isn’t a good camera… it shoots great pictures, but it’s old technology and an awkward camera for her to use. This thread has addressed most of my concerns (not that I’ve made up my mind yet, but I’m sure you guys can relate!), but there is one thing I’ve not heard mentioned regarding video quality. Do both the d7 and 5d mk II shoot an H.264 compression?

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35. 

    David Ahn
    

    16. Dec, 2009

    You’re looking at it all wrong. Canon’s flagship is divided into the 1Ds for studio/still photography and 1D for sports/wildlife. The 7d is a natural fit into this scenario, with the 5D for studio/still photography and the 7D for sports and wildlife.

    The advantages of the 5D II have been pointed out above, but for me, I love the low-light prowess, full frame sensor, and the ultrawide perspectives of my 5D II. But I would love a 7D for wildlife and birding!

    If anyone should be upset, it’s those with a 1Ds III, since the 5D Mark II gives better images.

    Also, I don’t like the stuttery motion of 24 fps film, and I’d love nothing more than for the industry to move to a 48 or 60 fps standard. For now, I think 30 fps is smoother than 24, so I’ll take my 5D’s full frame at 30 fps.

    The 7D will shoot great quality video, even at night, but the 5D will be cleaner in low light.

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      Mick Kalber
      

      22. Dec, 2009

      thanks for the info. I was wrong actually… she has a D60.
      I ended up getting the 7D, not because I thot it was better, but it came down to price. I have a hunch she’ll use the 7D for awhile and then upgrade to the 5DII or whatever seems like the best choice at the time. we shoot mostly volcano, and often at night or in the early hours of the morning, so the low light sensitivity will probably be a factor… we’ll see. as far as video goes, it’s a bit of a moot point since I’m the video half of our team and I use a sony hdw-f900r. that’s not to say that we won’t do time-lapse and even use it for other stuff from time to time… but it’s not the priority. aooreciate the input.

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36. 

    ed
    

    24. Feb, 2010

    Help,

    I bought the 5D and it was stolen. When I shot video on the 5D I found that any zooming caused a lag in the image recording. Has this been remedied by Canon or was my camera setup wrong? I want to replace the camera but if this problem is still present then I will go with the 7D.

    Any info?

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      planetMitch
      

      24. Feb, 2010

      I’ve not heard of a problem with zooming… there is a known issue of ’stuttering’ when light conditions change (search the blog for more) and that’s documented in the manual as well.

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37. 

    Sid.
    

    02. Mar, 2010

    Hey,

    Cor’ blimey.. So many opinions and no mention of wedding photography..!

    I’m a wedding photographer in the making and am at the point of upgrading in the next week – So for wedding photography which way do I go.. 5D Mk2 Body Only and buy a second hand lens (24-85) or 7D with 15-85mm Kit..?

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    • 

      Overfocused.com
      

      16. Mar, 2010

      MK2 hands down. Your photos in low light from the MKII will blow away the 7D as well as IQ. With this camera you will know what you’re getting and will not have to worry whether the camera is technically able in low light. Most of the time with low aperture lenses you won’t even need a flash, not that you shouldn’t use one, but it opens up MANY possibilities. I’ve shot hand held night landscapes with a 50mm 1.8 prime that looked fine as art prints (and I have extremely high technical standards for art photography)

      Unless you want to hold the shutter and use a strobe quickly, then get the 7D, but the sensors are just not the same at all.

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38. 

    Shai
    

    17. Mar, 2010

    Time to change this page’s info!

    24p alive and well on the 5D mk2 and it is lovely!
    As well as 25 and 30 frames.
    AGC (automatic gain control) can now be disabled and there is a histogram that can be used before shooting.

    Lots of fun to be had.

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